Ardavan Roozbeh\ Radio Koocheh
ardavan@koochehmail.com
I believe that after-election progresses were rear in contemporaneous history of Iran. Even we could say that regarding to the world reaction to it, was unique due to new technologies. There have been a few movements in Iran’s history that made other same thoughts aligned from all over the world.
This progress that came along side with much “DOs and DON’Ts” contains symbols of wisdom and public companionship that made them to demonstrate against regime after 3 decades openly. It criticize the minorities in society who want maximum of all the things and moves in a movement shape toward being a bilobate sword due to folly of totalities rulers and orients 30 years regime progress into another way.
On the other hand the opponent and congruent of present progress or the analyzers who see future of Iran after 10th Iranian presidential election made different opinions and views toward to after-election events.
These views cause Radio Koocheh to cast them and other opinions and go for experts as much as it could and ask them to do pathology about these movements.
Maybe movement leadership role, charismatique flows, wiseness, democracy and orientation and the future which will happened for these people made causes the progress to scrutinize from different dimension by unprejudiced medias.
Because of that, we entered in to this event and we name it “Moment Interview”. In the interview, first we talk to Mohammadreza Madhi, military and intelligence expert.
Interviewing with him might be interesting because he was a top commander of Revolutionary Guard and the chief of a committee named “Regime Retinue” in Islamic Republic. Our interview with Madhi subjected to presence of Militant in after election events. In a situation when many people criticize the presence of militant in governing and believe that a militarists could never represent democracy.
But Madhi believes that for cooperate military groups especially demurrer groups in Revolutionary Guard, he could make a movement with creating a unidirectional flow and solidarity between demurrer militants. We believe in a way that militant groups fight exposition for shift of Islamic Republic regime. The military expert enters to the subject of: “When militant take control of regime, would be any place for vast democracy in Iran?”
Stay with the interview. In other programs we will go for other experts. But we should not forget that every opinion is negotiable and could be evaluated by critical point of views and gain a result that could be a guide for future. We are waiting for your point of views.
Mr. Madhi! You are Iran strategic affairs expert and we have been together in Radio Koocheh before. It seems that, sometimes, there are subjects that if we talk about them more, the importance of the subject would be more transparent. Especially the after election events in Iran that we have talk about it several times. In the last interview you mentioned a point it was: “Islamic Republic Regime would no longer exist.” Truly you have not mention like this before. That means in previous interviews it was just changes in shape and update of the regime. This was the first time that you said: “The regime would no longer exist.” Please explain regarding to which new process do you think that the regime would not last anymore?
When I talked about this prove that the regime would no longer exist, there are many others prove behind it. There are so many documents regarding to what I said that every informed about Iran’s political issues could find the reason. We could see that in different levels of the regime there is diversity. If we assumed the fanatical group as the main pole of the regime and say all the leadership power assets by those groups and be the sponsor and supporter of governors or the related thought, we could see that they are fighting each other.
Mr. Mesbah Yazdi, is the father of the thought and Asbahiyeh sect or the fanatical and supporters of Mr. Ahmadinejad. In my first interview I mentioned that at 3rd of January 2010 in Vankok post that they even go beyond the supreme leader. I mention that many times. But that time other said that I am talking about something to excuse someone. No that was a reality. Nowadays we could obviously see the signs of passing beyond the supreme leader.
Ahmadinejad has got several causes. He follows the power and just thinks about it. That means his spiritual father, Mr. Mesbah or Khamenie who kisses his hand are not important at all. The thing that is important for them is remaining in the power, and in the particular path of thinking. Now what are the sources of this difference ?
We are not talking about the things hidden but the sensible one that are visible for people. The supreme leader says that task of foreign ministry must not be parallel but we see that Ahmadinejad pointed 4 envoys in different countries or places. The supreme leader (Khamenie) says that negotiation with the U.S is cancelled but we see Ahmadinejad wants to negotiate with it. Or in “Hoseyniye Imam Khomeini” and in the house of the supreme leader, some students went to have a meeting with the leader and read a manifesto against Ahmadinejad and he stressed on: “We have not promised to anyone” and examples the 23rd May events.
Till now, there is a subject that several sites have published it and there is also the Revolutionary Guard manifest that sues Ahmadinejad for treachery to Imam and the leader. We have known that from 6 month before. We are aware of these murmurs. I am connected to others inside the country. If I told about this on that moment, everyone would poke fun of me. When I sold in Vankok post you have been the first one who I interview with. For the fine translation that you done from Vankok post because no other place casts such a real one. If you remember I told that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard was divided between 3 stratums. The first one is pro us, the other is dispassionate and the last one is pro-nation. And there is a minority that is regime friendly and extremist, thinking about selecting Ahmaidinejad or the leader truthfully.
As going out of dialogues they begin to fight. A regime top, Hahsemi Refsanjani is a one of the most important factors and is a basement for Islamic Republic, got challenges and problems. His son, Mehdi, is negotiating for regime change abroad but they want to shift in another way inside. Pro-Ahmadinejads, coalitionists, Mesbahiyes, and reformists. If you assume them we could see that the ones who caused the regime to be resistant are having problem with each other. Easily we could get the conclusion that the Islamic Republic would no longer exist.
Maybe it could comment that I want to destroy it formerly. No we could make changers. But they are going by themselves.
You have mentioned different stratum in Revolutionary Guard, although we do not see something like this in Army or other organizations or we have not faced a presence in regime like just the Revolutionary Guard are doing, we do not see related or the like demonstration in the Army. This might be due to the pressures on it. Revolutionary Guard plays the most important role in the last 30 years for strengthening the regime. The people have never seen that the Revolutionary Guards be with nation like this. Now you are mentioning something new. Does it mean you want to say that there are Guards who want to be with people ?
In 23rd of May in Shahid Mahallati town where old Guards live there, there were some votes for Mr. Khatami despite pressures of the supreme leader to vote for Nategh Noori. 85% voted for Khatami. How could they support. The Revolutionary Guards did not want to support a particular thought and fall to this crisis. Whom supporters am I? You tell the people.
I know that you are from top of Revolutionary Guards. The question is: “Even in the after election quarrels you could see the presence of intelligence services of Revolutionary guard. Are they apart from the body of it?
Who are these and who are in their thinking room? Mr. Taeeb and Mr. Meysam from intelligence ministry are the same as that Mr. Taeeb, who rules. Mr. Falahiyan is famous for being extremists and discourtesy. Mr. Taeeb or Mr. Meysam sacked from the ministry because of violence and misbehaving with who are accused. Now he is the head of intelligence service in Revolutionary Guard. Javad Abbasi Kongehvari known as Javad Azadeh is the one who tortures Saeed Imami’s wife. The woman who told that: “My husband was no acting by his own self and if it was supposed that my husband to be removed, there are some others involve” He has not entered in any crime or murder but they tortured with the worst way. The film was seen all around the world, even the leader was heard about it.
For the Army, I have to say that usually there are some unfavorable among them but silent because if they want to start a movement they repressed instantly
These 6 are constructing Mr. Taeeb’s thinking room. When they escaped and became outcast, they hide themselves behind Taeeb. Taeeb sent from intelligence part of the Guard to cultural part of it. As Ahmadinejad get the power, Taeeb became the commander of Basij force and appointed as intelligence organization chief in Revolutionary Guard after pressures on the supreme leader.
There are so many pressures on the leader. They impose issues on him and advice him wrongly so they got wrong answers too. But he believes that he is responding correctly. Since the data are wrong so the answers are wrong too. This stratum of the regime got the power in their hand.
I entered in Basij since Jan 1980 and sent to war at 25th Jun 1981 and as you have seen in my documents I have been injured for level of 71%. Why I stand behind the nation now? I abandoned my family and do not enjoy myself in Europe or the U.S. I am living in a country where my life is tough and limited so much. This is not just me. I am a representative of a way of thinking. The idea is really Rooty in Revolutionary Guard. See the votes to the reformists. If the Guard wants to vote for Nategh noori, he would win the election. The former bodies in the Guard feel that and saw that it had been hellbent. So they were not able to companionship with the Revolution. They want to escape from it peacefully but they face dead end. We tired of reforming and want to start a new movement and finish it.
You are talking about a Revolutionary Guard that we have not see any action regarding to different events in the last 30 years. Assume the massacre of 1988 in Khavaran and acting against social or political activists. You said that they met dead end. What are their feed backs?
For the Army, I have to say that usually there are some unfavorable among them but silent because if they want to start a movement they repressed instantly. They are waiting for a progress to join revolutionary Guard or the people. The Revolutionary Gurd was no involved in events of 1988. It task was the war. The Guard was not involved in domestic issues at all. That was done by police and intelligence ministry.
That the massacre was right or wrong, I do not want to talk about it now. If we assumed that the Revolutionary Guard was involved in that, this idea would not last forever; Human changes continually. Whoever done something falsely, want to rectify him gradually. The Revolutionary Guard that you say has not back the people supported them with their silent voting to reformists. Wasn’t it sensible?
We are observing some differences between the Army and Revolutionary guard. In the last 30 years, the Guard followed the ideological part of the regime and the Army must remain in the borders. Maybe the people do not expect too much from the Army. After massacre in 1978, the Army’s chiefs were always under pressure. But we believe that the Revolutionary Guard is the basement for hidden officers and after the presidential election were always presented themselves in arena and its commanders that they got the power for repressing demonstrations. Do you think that a part of the Revolutionary Guard has come to this point that the regime must be changed?
Personally I am in debt to Mr. Aziz or Mohammad ali Jafari, the head commander of Revolutionary Guard. But today we are against each other uncomplimentary. He admits that some from the Guard has joined the “sedition”. Have you heard that?
Yes
I was commander of top position. A force that declares to have hundreds of thousands of army and assets 13,600,000 member of Basij says that some joined the heads of sedition and we are trying to make them needless not punish them. Is the chief commander of Revolutionary Guard trembles whole of it for just 4,000 to 5,000? It is a very deep fission. Technically if we observe it we could see it is so deep that the head commander of Revolutionary Guard expresses his concern about it. I could say that some in the body of the Guard wants to stand for not the regime destroys the religion and be harmful more or pass it to right persons.
You mean there are some in the Guard body that believe in secularism?
Yes if it was not so I wouldn’t be alive any more.
If we assume that some are adapt changes and that means to separate political body of the country from religion body of it and we also say that they demonstrate too. Would the country governing goes into militarism and commandeering? Could it be a basement for democracy?
We had written constitution draft and guaranteed them. We do not just observe religion minorities. This day the Islamic regime does not observe even ethnical minorities rights
I cannot discuss about everything but there is a possibility of changes and I could absolutely say that those changes would do by the militants inside the country. What I have said in the last one year usually happened. Which of my comments or my prefaces had not been happened or not observed? This is a part of that but limited for militants. We have got 20,000 fixed cadres who companion with us and got official cards with their photo, specification and their parents’ name. They are key bodies who exist in different parts of the organization. May others have applied for it who are part of us but it took times till we assured of them.
In this 20,000 there are various parts. Some of them told me: “Don’t talk against the supreme leader, it make us sad.” I always called him “Ayatolah Khamenie” but for not make them sad, I called him “the leader”. Now they say that the leader and Islamic Republic must be gone together. In my interview with Mr. Nourizadeh I said that the regime become like a cancer tumor. The others who were more religious than me announced that the Islamic regime made the religion to be questioned and it has not be so scorned in any of Islamic period. The own Islamic Republic or Revolution would not be sacrificed but Islam and Shiah will.
So what about human rights? If we assume that the own religion sacrificed or if the Revolutionary Guard commanders want to make a progress, do they assume the same rights for all minorities such as Bahaees, Dervishes, or Sunnis?
We had written constitution draft and guaranteed them. We do not just observe religion minorities. This day the Islamic regime does not observe even ethnical minorities rights. The future of Iran is for every Iranian in every ethnic, religion or sect. The militaries will do these changes and then dedicate it to the people. If the people vote for this governing, we will accept it. I want to utter openly that in the last regime that Shah governed, if one became drunk would not pass before a mosque. The respecting for priests was very very fine. Today we can see that if a priest stand by a road, not a taxi would pick him up after many hours. Not observing human right and people, religions, races social issue made them to be pessimistic to Islam. The religion that we believe in and is our belief till we pay our life for it. Imam Ali says: “If someone heard the sound of a Jewish woman’s anklet he would better to die.” We are talking about this kind of Islam. Dose it observed? We heard that they detruded someone head in W.C for shrive. We do not have human rights any more. These crimes are obvious. If it exists before, it was hidden. In the last one year and so these kinds of crime has been so high that all came to this conclusion that if the religion separated, it would no more counted for it.
The country’s mood is going into a new crisis. We are talking in a time when Republicans occupied a part of congress. One of the points that the Islamic Republic faces with, was the Republicans. On the other hand; by paying cash subsides, inflation and foreign threats come into economical crisis. If you could do a little forecasting, what will you see about Iranian future?
When I was the top, I declare that retain of the regime is due to self-devotion revival and martyrdom. Maybe they stat something psychosis-like such as starting war. But I do not think that the Islamic Republic would start a war. It is not possible. I had a meeting with politicians and talked about many things. The republicans would not do the same mistake for Iran that they had done in Iraq and Afghanistan. But imposed economical pressures to people would become more on the regime. For releasing and getting rid of this situation the regime might start something psychosis-like. Again I am saying that the Islamic Republic would no longer exist, whether they do so or not.
You mentioned the leader issues and his wrong information. Maybe this question comes to people mind that when the leader formally says in a congress that: “We’ve got some facilities that in a case of problems, that might happen for everyone else in the world” and some analyzers regard it as outfit and threatening for special weapons and believe that the Iran leadership is seeking for power in the world. Do you believe all of this because of wrong information?
I am not saying that this is due to wrong information. If you remember, after 3 months from my interviews, the leader lodgment is like now. Why they fought with Iraq? For having chemical weapons! We declared that they establish microbe bomb basement as much as amoxycillin capsules. When they go for defending we said that we are going to overture the documents. In Europe we were talking with different believers. At first they thought that I was extolling for putting the world into crisis or misrepresenting the Islamic Republic. But they concluded that this subject does exist and they had found the related document.
When the supreme leader said that the war does not end in the region, this is a threat. This is not based on wrong information but comes from Aziz Jafari data (Mohammad ali Jafari), the head commander of Revolutionary Guard. Jafari declares it after the leader. It is obvious that the situation first described by the Guard commander and then the head commander lodgments. This is not exaggeration. The mentioned wrong information is for country governing.
I like Mr. Khatami so much but do not believe in his leadership. Because at that time he does what he could but they was just for retaining the regime and I am upset of him for that matter. I don’t believe in changes done by priests for different reasons. We have not seen that one time Mr. Khatami be a Friday’s liturgiologist and prays, the person who was the president for 8 years and got the highest votes. The father of a family must be father for everyone. This was due to his wrong information and wrong design. But about the serial killings in justices case and the others who I go through them, me and some others gave him some information but he made his another design according to wrong data. We are talking about this kind of issues not sensible and massive ones, although they were also sensitive too and were about human. But for strategic issues and foreign affairs, he becomes so tenuous
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